i'm using 20x20 origami paper to fold the ancient dragon even though it says that i need 50x50 and i don't know where to get the paper from without getting rectangular paper. where can i get big square good paper? if anyone could answer this it would be a huge help.
I have problems with the ancient dragon step 80-81 to.
I opened the flap and tried to sink it (step 80).
Now I have found 2 solutions to do that, but both gives problems for step 81.
Please can you help me? It's for a schoolproject about my hobbys.
thanks (and sorry for my bad english)
hello pulling my hair out making this dragon so many steps seem confusing in the diagrams. can you please help me with these steps? I do the sink but it ends up still separated once I flatten like in step 78. maybe I should give up and fold another crane....lol
Thanks for reply and link sara but it seems to be an old post and the links to their photos no longer work, I am using 25 cm paper which i know is to small but i'm just practicing the steps but this one does my head in. is anyone making this at the moment? if so help with this step and others would be much appreciated as i have only been folding for a month, I just finished kade chans fiery dragon (which was simple compared to this) and i wanted something more challenging. I sure got what i asked for!!!
You can always reask the question. You'll see that the latest post was made a couple of days ago. Also, have you checked whether your question was answered later again, but with still available images? I only checked the last page, but there were images for step 83, which is close to the steps you asked for.
This fold is actually one that Satoshi Kamiya did. I folded the model, too, but it looks a bit different. ;)
But to answer your question: no, I did not manage to fold the ancient dragon on my first try. It was more like 4 tries or so, several months passing between each attempt.
No, the first 12 steps are relitivaly easy if you know your folds (examples:squash,river, and, mountain. If you can do all these folds you can do this dragon an your fourth or fith try but, only if you are a master like Sara Adams. =Zac
I'd rate it to be a 9 or 10, i.e. super complex. You need to use large paper, Satoshi Kamiya recommends a 50cm square. I've folded this model from double tissue, which works well.
When I make tissue foil to fold this model, I always get air bubbles, and my paper is aall wrinkly at the end, so it is impossible to fold. Do you have a way to prevent this? Thanks so much:)
Have you watched my video on how I make double tissue? http://www.happyfolding.com/instructions-double_tissue
In particular, I've found that if I don't pull the paper down while applying the glue mixture more bubbles will form. Additionally, I stroke out air bubbles after I've applied a coat of glue. You have to be careful with this as not to rip the paper, though.
hello everybody i have buy the book "Works of satoshi kamiya" so i want to make the dragon . But in step 24 i have a problem i don't no how it will go can you help me?
When you now the step 24 pls say it in simple english my english is not the best ;D
In step 24, you just open up the edge and squash it to the left using the second crease from the edge. Hope that helped, if anyone else hasn't helped you.
Hi , I just manage to complete folding the ancient dragon using the Satoshi Kamiya book, it is extreamly difficult. It took me 5 weeks and 11 sheets of 60"X60" paper, the paper it self plays a very important part in the folding, like Sara states, the paper has to be soft enough and strong enough to with stand the mutiply layer folding. i have been in contact with Satoshi Kamiya for the past year now, he is a great guy, he is planning to have a diagram of the pheniox is his next book, Not the RuyJin dragon though.
If any one needs any help folding the ancient dragon let me know, I can not make any videos of it , but I can guide you step by step if you like.
Hi my name is Alejandro and I'm from La Paz Bolivia and I was trying to fold the Ancient Dragon but I have problems. Now I can't pass the step 103, but Ithink that I didn't fold well. I don't know if you can upload an instructional video, I know that it's hard because it takes 7-8 hours or more, but I am desperate and frustrated. Here in Bolivia I didn't find somebody who knows about this. My email is gun_grave@walla.com Please Help Me.
PD. Sorry if I make many mistakes but here in Bolivia English is not the official language.
Well, I'm out of the country right now, so I cannot check what step 103 is (don't have the book with me). As to making an instructional video, it will not happen. There are several good reasons (length, complexity, requirements to skill and paper choice for the viewer), but the one that rules it out is that Satoshi Kamiya didn't give me permission to do instructional videos on his designs.
I need to know where to get the book online, or the plans!!! I've been searching for two weeks (how long this kid in class said it took him to make it!!!
Sara If its not to long can you make an instruction video. Not forAncient dragon but if its short enough can you do john montrolls three headed dragon?
For months i have been trying to find diagrams for the ancient dragon. could you plz make some diagrams on a pdf file or something.. hi this is sam, im from canada, and i have 7 years of experience with origami, for example i know how to make the zing dragon off by heart. I am very bored and i want a challenge so please make diagrams for the ancient dragon. To see the origami zing dragon go to http://www.zingman.com/origami/zingoridragon.html
As to reading diagrams - it depends on your preference. I almost only fold from diagrams, others prefer videos or folding from crease patterns. With practice you get better at reading diagrams, just like with anything in life. The diagramming style also plays an important role. For example, I find Robert Lang's ans Kamiya-san's diagrams to be amongst the clearest. That may also be linked to the necessity of clear instructions for more complex models and their mathematical take on origami.
How do you make it - with much patience and skill. I haven't succeeded yet, although I've attempted it twice (both times stopping after about 8 hours of folding).
Where to get the book except for in the internet - in Japan, maybe at larger origami conventions, I'm not sure where else.
Hey man, I love dragons too, especially this one trust me, I know what I'm saying....momentarily I'm folding The Ancient Dragon and it has 275 steps.....and I'm at step 70...and trust me it's really hard, although I have some experience I would say...even if Sara could have the time to make many hours of video for this model, the techniques involved here are very complex and I think in a video it's hard to show very well in detail every crease and every fold...if you can take a look at the diagram you'd understand :P...
dragons are the most origami`s that i love!!!and this is the perfect 1.....so please sara make me a video of this...and am sure other people love this thing!!!!take ur time..and thanks
um... just to let you know, first of all, that model takes DAYS to fold, and is extrememly difficult to show how to fold via webcam. second, sara doesn't have permission from kamiya to make videos on how to make his models.
i need help on step 38-39..... everything after that looks easy but i don't get what a series of inside reverse folds is suposed to look like?
PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ.................................................HELP!
Hm, I fear if steps 38-39 are causing you problems you might not be ready for this model yet. It gets *much* tougher later. As to tips to these steps, I fear I don't have the book with me. But please consider first trying some easier models before attempting this model. It *is* one of the most challenging models diagrammed out there, and will only frustrate you if you attempt it too soon.
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3rd fold
Could you please send me the a nakip with the first three folds I think I could go from there
where do i get the paper from
i'm using 20x20 origami paper to fold the ancient dragon even though it says that i need 50x50 and i don't know where to get the paper from without getting rectangular paper. where can i get big square good paper? if anyone could answer this it would be a huge help.
You can get them in the
You can get them in the Origami-shop which is on the page....to your left
ancient dragon
Are you making it? Where did you get the instructions?
origami paper
you can get at the origami store
Paper
I actually successfully made this model with a sheet of 50x50 cm vellum paper which worked really well.
backround
is that a pheonix 3.5 in the backround?
yes
yes
Step 80 or 81?
I have problems with the ancient dragon step 80-81 to.
I opened the flap and tried to sink it (step 80).
Now I have found 2 solutions to do that, but both gives problems for step 81.
Please can you help me? It's for a schoolproject about my hobbys.
thanks (and sorry for my bad english)
Check this post
In the origami forum there's an ongoing thread with help. I think you'll find it helpful: http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=446
-- Sara
oT
this is :) dissacountable. Because origami is where become from a path of a notebook or just a paper
ancient dragon step 83
i'm am failing to finish step 83. can anyone show me a link to a video that will show me how to do it? please?
ancient dragon step 80-82
hello pulling my hair out making this dragon so many steps seem confusing in the diagrams. can you please help me with these steps? I do the sink but it ends up still separated once I flatten like in step 78. maybe I should give up and fold another crane....lol
Help with steps: try this origami forum
Check http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=446
Seems other people have had problems with these steps, too, and others already helped out. :)
-- Sara
ancient dragon step 80-82
Thanks for reply and link sara but it seems to be an old post and the links to their photos no longer work, I am using 25 cm paper which i know is to small but i'm just practicing the steps but this one does my head in. is anyone making this at the moment? if so help with this step and others would be much appreciated as i have only been folding for a month, I just finished kade chans fiery dragon (which was simple compared to this) and i wanted something more challenging. I sure got what i asked for!!!
Getting help
You can always reask the question. You'll see that the latest post was made a couple of days ago. Also, have you checked whether your question was answered later again, but with still available images? I only checked the last page, but there were images for step 83, which is close to the steps you asked for.
-- Sara
ancient dragon help
hay Sara I figured out this step, finally. thanks for your help in directing me to the forums.
How long??
Just curious, did you get it on the first try? You seem like a very advanced origami artist. But, I have always wondered. :)
Several tries
This fold is actually one that Satoshi Kamiya did. I folded the model, too, but it looks a bit different. ;)
But to answer your question: no, I did not manage to fold the ancient dragon on my first try. It was more like 4 tries or so, several months passing between each attempt.
-- Sara
the ancient dragon
how hard is this model from 1-10? and wats size and type paper should i use?
steps 1-10
No, the first 12 steps are relitivaly easy if you know your folds (examples:squash,river, and, mountain. If you can do all these folds you can do this dragon an your fourth or fith try but, only if you are a master like Sara Adams. =Zac
Super complex and double tissue
I'd rate it to be a 9 or 10, i.e. super complex. You need to use large paper, Satoshi Kamiya recommends a 50cm square. I've folded this model from double tissue, which works well.
-- Sara
Paper
Hi Sara,
When I make tissue foil to fold this model, I always get air bubbles, and my paper is aall wrinkly at the end, so it is impossible to fold. Do you have a way to prevent this? Thanks so much:)
Wes
Maybe some tips
Have you watched my video on how I make double tissue? http://www.happyfolding.com/instructions-double_tissue
In particular, I've found that if I don't pull the paper down while applying the glue mixture more bubbles will form. Additionally, I stroke out air bubbles after I've applied a coat of glue. You have to be careful with this as not to rip the paper, though.
Hope this helps,
-- Sara
works of satoshi kamiya
umm can u tell me some of the creatures in this book? i relly want to kno if they have a phoenix. plz answer. ty!
Check this link
Check http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/original/kamiya/kamiya.html for pictures of all models included in the book. The phoenix is not one of them.
-- Sara
Bahamut
i know this kind of off topic but on step 47 i cannot make the paper look like 48 no matter how many inside reverse folds i make.
If anyone can help me i would appreciate it
Origami forum
Try http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1654
-- Sara
steps 20-30
hello everybody i have buy the book "Works of satoshi kamiya" so i want to make the dragon . But in step 24 i have a problem i don't no how it will go can you help me?
When you now the step 24 pls say it in simple english my english is not the best ;D
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Ancient dragon step 24
In step 24, you just open up the edge and squash it to the left using the second crease from the edge. Hope that helped, if anyone else hasn't helped you.
need free Diagram
Can I have a free Diagram for this sample?
Simple answer
No.
Please buy the book if you'd like to get access to the diagrams.
-- Sara
crap
aw man
help
i dont get step 46 do u have any idea for help
?
are you going to try to make the divine dragon?
Ancient Dragon,
Hi , I just manage to complete folding the ancient dragon using the Satoshi Kamiya book, it is extreamly difficult. It took me 5 weeks and 11 sheets of 60"X60" paper, the paper it self plays a very important part in the folding, like Sara states, the paper has to be soft enough and strong enough to with stand the mutiply layer folding. i have been in contact with Satoshi Kamiya for the past year now, he is a great guy, he is planning to have a diagram of the pheniox is his next book, Not the RuyJin dragon though.
If any one needs any help folding the ancient dragon let me know, I can not make any videos of it , but I can guide you step by step if you like.
CDP Folding..
Phoenix?????
Did you just say Satoshi plans to make Phoenix diagrams? Please tell me a) it's not a lie; b)it's 3.5 as opposed to 1.0, 2.0, or 3.0.
ancient dragon
if i wanted step by step insructions, i'd look at my diagrams, why can't you make any videos?
ancient dragon
i can inside reverse fold and again on another reverse fold but it doesn't look like step 39
ancient dragon
i need help with steps 38-40 plz help email me plz BlastingWaspinator22@hotmail.com
Help with Ancient Dragon
Hi my name is Alejandro and I'm from La Paz Bolivia and I was trying to fold the Ancient Dragon but I have problems. Now I can't pass the step 103, but Ithink that I didn't fold well. I don't know if you can upload an instructional video, I know that it's hard because it takes 7-8 hours or more, but I am desperate and frustrated. Here in Bolivia I didn't find somebody who knows about this. My email is gun_grave@walla.com Please Help Me.
PD. Sorry if I make many mistakes but here in Bolivia English is not the official language.
No video, I fear
Well, I'm out of the country right now, so I cannot check what step 103 is (don't have the book with me). As to making an instructional video, it will not happen. There are several good reasons (length, complexity, requirements to skill and paper choice for the viewer), but the one that rules it out is that Satoshi Kamiya didn't give me permission to do instructional videos on his designs.
Sorry,
-- Sara
paper
i wonder what paper kamiya used i used craft paper and iits really thick but looks amazing
teh book
I need to know where to get the book online, or the plans!!! I've been searching for two weeks (how long this kid in class said it took him to make it!!!
PLZ halp
Order the book online
I guess you didn't search very well, then. There's a link above the picture that points to a page where you can buy the book: http://www.origamihouse.jp/book/original/kamiya/kamiya.html
Other dragon.
Sara If its not to long can you make an instruction video. Not forAncient dragon but if its short enough can you do john montrolls three headed dragon?
John Monroll doesnt give
John Monroll doesnt give permission for his models, believe me ive tried
All hope is not lost
Actually, I've been in contact with John Montroll, and he did give me permission for some videos already.
-- Sara
make a diagram
For months i have been trying to find diagrams for the ancient dragon. could you plz make some diagrams on a pdf file or something.. hi this is sam, im from canada, and i have 7 years of experience with origami, for example i know how to make the zing dragon off by heart. I am very bored and i want a challenge so please make diagrams for the ancient dragon. To see the origami zing dragon go to http://www.zingman.com/origami/zingoridragon.html
Sorry...
You'll have to buy the book if you want to get access to the diagrams.
-- Sara
Hard?
Have you folded the ancient dragon? If you have please tell me how difficult it is.
P.S Is it hard reading origami from a book?
Ancient dragon
I'm sure you'll have seen my latest two posts: http://www.happyfolding.com/gallery-kamiya-ancient_dragon-adams-front and http://www.happyfolding.com/gallery-kamiya-ancient_dragon-adams-back
Yes it is difficult. I'd rank it on my scale as super-complex. The steps by themselves are of course doable, but you have to work with several layers of paper and this makes folding precisely difficult. It's also why not every paper will work for this model. You need thin, but strong paper to get a nice result.
As to reading diagrams - it depends on your preference. I almost only fold from diagrams, others prefer videos or folding from crease patterns. With practice you get better at reading diagrams, just like with anything in life. The diagramming style also plays an important role. For example, I find Robert Lang's ans Kamiya-san's diagrams to be amongst the clearest. That may also be linked to the necessity of clear instructions for more complex models and their mathematical take on origami.
-- Sara
thanks.
Ok thanks. By the way your vidoes are awsome!
Can't read.
I go on the site and it has japan writing. What do i do?
Site in English
Try origami-shop.com instead.
-- Sara
Thanks so much!
Thank you so much!
ancient dragon
how do u make it.... and where do u get the book but except the internet????????
A tough model
How do you make it - with much patience and skill. I haven't succeeded yet, although I've attempted it twice (both times stopping after about 8 hours of folding).
Where to get the book except for in the internet - in Japan, maybe at larger origami conventions, I'm not sure where else.
Hope this helps,
-- Sara
really hard
Hey man, I love dragons too, especially this one trust me, I know what I'm saying....momentarily I'm folding The Ancient Dragon and it has 275 steps.....and I'm at step 70...and trust me it's really hard, although I have some experience I would say...even if Sara could have the time to make many hours of video for this model, the techniques involved here are very complex and I think in a video it's hard to show very well in detail every crease and every fold...if you can take a look at the diagram you'd understand :P...
plz
send me the instructions on how to make the dragon. i understand it's hard i like a good challange.
if you can plz send the instructions for it
Ancient dragon diagrams
I found a link to the diagrams online somewhere, but I won't tell you, both because they might not be legal, and because I don't remember where!
dragonz
dragons are the most origami`s that i love!!!and this is the perfect 1.....so please sara make me a video of this...and am sure other people love this thing!!!!take ur time..and thanks
fyi...
um... just to let you know, first of all, that model takes DAYS to fold, and is extrememly difficult to show how to fold via webcam. second, sara doesn't have permission from kamiya to make videos on how to make his models.
what would it take to get
what would it take to get his permission? is there any1 els who does have pwemission?
i've been siving through the internet 4 weeks!
MEEEE TOOOO ive only found 2
MEEEE TOOOO ive only found 2 crapy vidios
Ancient Dragon tutorials
Last time I checked, someone had a set of short tuts on a few steps at a time. (Not sure how many steps, though.)
Help!
i need help on step 38-39..... everything after that looks easy but i don't get what a series of inside reverse folds is suposed to look like?
PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ.................................................HELP!
Some advice, although probably not the one you were hoping for
Hm, I fear if steps 38-39 are causing you problems you might not be ready for this model yet. It gets *much* tougher later. As to tips to these steps, I fear I don't have the book with me. But please consider first trying some easier models before attempting this model. It *is* one of the most challenging models diagrammed out there, and will only frustrate you if you attempt it too soon.
-- Sara
I need help with 191
Do you still have to reverse fold the top part of the wing, I got the rabbit ear fold but i can't get the top of the wing to look like 192
wing
try this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjOfENM8FL8&feature=relmfu
Just a pointer
Please check http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=446&highlight=kamiya+ancient+d... for advice on specific steps.
-- Sara
Help !
Please i need help with the steps 136-137 !!! please help me!!
Origami forum
Please check the forum topic or post your question there. Thanks!
http://snkhan.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=446
-- Sara